This is the same X-200 winch pictured in the post above, but setup to function on the longer wheel-base Willys Jeep trucks and wagons. The is Ramsey Bulletin 115:
M-38/M-38A1 Rims and Back Spacing
Morgan stated in a comment that he was a little confused as to why some of the M-38/M-38A1 rims had back spacing changes. Can anyone help answer his questions?
Morgan wrote, “Trying to get a handle on M38/M38A1 military Jeep wheels is difficult at best (let alone all the other Jeep wheels!).
1. Do only military wheels (all 16″ ??) have weep holes? Correct me but I’ve noticed that maintaining a 12 o’clock alignment of the valve stem hole puts the weep hole of a 16″ x 4 1/2″ at 3 o’clock. And the weep hole of a 16″ x 5″ is at 9 o’clock. While the top lug hole on the 16 x 4 1/2″ lines up with 12 o’clock, it’s the bottom lug hole on the 16″ x 5″ that lines up with 12 o’clock.
In addition the backspace on the 16 x 4 1/2″ is about 3 1/4″ while the backspace on the 16 x 5″ is about 3 3/4″. Now admittedly, my research is limited and maybe I’ve only learned enough to be dangerous, but it’s the backspace that got me going.
2. I’m wondering if the shorter backspace on the 4 1/2″ (setting the tire farther from the frame and brake drum) would allow a tighter turn radius (without rubbing? or no issue?) than the deeper backspace on the 5″ (which would move the rim/tire closer to the frame?) ?? Why such a difference in backspace?
3. And of course if the mere presence of a weep hole would allow a quick accurate idea of a wheel’s exact measurements, that would be a plus. I think I’ve correctly learned that the accurate measurement of a wheel’s diameter and width is always inside the rim ?!?
4. I’ve also heard that the military wheels are a higher grade, and stronger ?!?
1945? VEC CJ-2A Fire Jeep Berkey, OH **SOLD**
UPDATE: **SOLD** Auctioned through sealed bids.
Jerry Huber confirmed that this is a 1945 VEC CJ-2A, serial number #11822. Jerry added, “That would place the body at the end of the 1945 production run. The Fire Dept. documents that they got it in the spring or summer of 1946, which is still possible with the time for the Darley Fire Conversion. There is also a story that the vehicle had a frame failure shortly after they got it from Darley and it was returned to the Willys Plant in Toledo where the frame was replaced with a heavier duty and reinforced unit. I have heard that story before but can’t verify although some one with more history on the unit may be able to confirm.”
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Originally posted Mar 2, 2021: Listed as a 1947, this is likely a 1945 VEC CJ-2A. It’s got rear hubs, indents, early windshield, a column shift and (I think) the earliest “WILLYS” data plate. Bidding is allowed from March 1, 2021, though April 02, 2021.
“Public Notice – Richfield Township is placing the 1947 Willy’s Jeep Fire Apparatus for sale via SEALED BID. Richfield Township is accepting SEALED BIDS for purchase of the 1947 Willy’s Jeep Fire Apparatus from Monday 3/1/2021 through Friday 4/2/2021 at 4:00 PM. The vehicle is sold as is with no warranties or guarantees made of any kind. This vehicle has been garage stored and maintained throughout its lifetime with Berkey / Richfield Township Fire Department as the original and only owner. The vehicle is open to inspection Monday – Friday 8:00 AM – 4:00 PM. The vehicle sale is subject to a minimum bid of $10,000. The bids will be opened on Monday 4/5/2021 and highest bid above the minimum sale amount will be awarded. Sealed Bids must be addressed to Fire Chief Keith Clonch at 11450 W. Sylvania Avenue, Berkey, Ohio 43504.”
1969 Flattie Seattle, WA For Trade
Seller isn’t looking for cash. This may be a CJ-5 chassis with a Bobcat Body and front clip.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/135229945148597
“Just seeing what’s out there for trade. Cars trucks 4×4 Or not. Somthing cool idk. This thing is sweet. 1500 LBS fiberglass tub. 36 inch tires and a 302 ford engine. Has 3 sticks. One tranny and two Tcase. All lights work. Runs and drives. I don’t know a ton of knowledge on it but know it’s old and it’s cool and it’s super light with a v8. New plugs, wires, cap, rotor, points, condenser, fuel pump… fixing it up more and more ebery day.
Anyway not looking for cash. Mainly looking to trade for another cool rig. Project or not. But don’t hit me with garbage. This Jeep is bad ass and probably worth some coin. I got it from my boss who collects high end cars.”
CJ-2A, M-38a1, and CJ-5s Galt, CA $7900
The seller will sell all the jeeps for $7900. I’ve only posted on pic for each jeep. The pics on Facebook are not in the order described by the seller.
“I am selling off a portion of my Jeep/Willys collection. These are multiple projects that I’ve acquired. Typically, I had to buy everything to get the pieces I need.
Pictures 1-5: Late 70’s cj5 and a 57 Willys. No title on 70’s but 57 has a clean title non op in my name. 57’s body is beat. Tons of parts included $4000 for both
Pictures 6-9: 1947 Willys with v8 and early 50’s Willys with I6. 47 has a clean title non op in my name but the body is rusted. 50’s has no title but body is in much better shape. Both have overdrives. No idea on running condition. $2200 for both Pictures

Pictures 10-13: 1953 M38a1 with data plates and vin on dash and hardtop & doors. Never been registered. 1958 cj5 in pieces, but I have a clean title non op in my name. Wheels not included. $2700 for both. FB limits my post, so I can’t give all necessary info. Each package has tons of parts included. Spare engines, axles, body parts, etc. All prices are firm.

1946 CJ-2A Anacortes, WA **SOLD**
UPDATE: **SOLD** Was $3000.
(10/29/2020) There are pics showing various stages of work, so I’m unclear what the lasted pic is.
“1946 Willys CJ2A project Chevy 4.3 v6 Edelbrock carb and intake manifold 3” lift New brakes all the way around Ford power steering box Needs exhaust, distributor and drivelines Open to trades or cash offers, make me an offer worst I can do is say no”
1949 CJ-3A Chewelah, WA $5500
UPDATE: Still Available.
(10/28/2020) The front frame rails/bumper area could use a rebuild.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2467472860219346/
“Straight solid body. No rust”
No Updates Monday
I spent all of Sunday packing up the office, so no Monday updates. I’m behind on comment responses, so bear with me.
Before packing up the jeep ‘toys’ yesterday, I took this photo. It’s not all the toys, but it is most of them. I never set out to collect toys, as I didn’t have the room. Still, somehow, I ended up with these. It’s probably good that I restrained myself; less toys to pack!
Judy the Jeep Girl
In an effort to promote Bond drives during World War II, around 1944 Sgt. Jack Kreismer created “Judy the Jeep Girl”. The character, sometimes described as a paper doll, while other times described as a cartoon, has proved a difficult image to track down. To help raise bonds, July ‘traveled’ from California to Salt Lake City, then on to the Washington, D.C.
A photo of Jack and Judy appeared in the June 1, 1945, issue of Minute Man. It’s the best example of Judy the Jeep Girl that I could find:
You can see that Jack (on the left) and Allen Overby (on the right) are holding a booklet. Apparently it is a souvenir booklet that features Judy.
The only newspaper representation I could find for Judy is a less-than-perfect sketch that appeared in the Salt Lake Telegram on June 19, 1944. Judy is left to the man in the box (sauna?).
Later, on January 15, 1945, Elenor Roosevelt commented on Judy’s activities:
1946 Photo of Louisiana’s Forestry Jeep
This June 29, 1946, photo in the Daily Advertiser shows off an early MB conversion into a Louisiana Forestry Jeep. Developed by the Louisiana Foresty Commission, the state purchased five of these rigs.
The Weekly Town Talk out of Alexandria, Louisiana, also ran the photo on the same day, but with a different caption:






















